It’s mostly to be taken as a joke, sorry. I thought about it, but didn’t get around to it until he was back from the trip. * I would immediately email my boss confirming approval As a “we’re sorry we aren’t honoring the previous verbally approved request” but realize you are losing money because you relied on us. Yeah the timing of the trip is something I questioned also. I’m very impressed by the level of dedication to a vacation. Feb 16, 2018 - We make a personalized Doctor's Note from a clinic or hospital. Why are so many employers weird about letting employees go negative in their PTO? I totally get that we all find our own ways to deal. My company’s policy is that you need a note to return after three or more sick days, so the only note involved is the one that says you’re not sick. That wasn’t my first choice, but I offered to come back for 2 days after shutdown and then take a week off, and that was fine. (Studies show their heartrate actually goes down when they are allegedly “out of control”.) I just think the employers had more agency to make this right before it went off the rails. They absolutely are. This from the guy who says he’d be shocked if something the OP doesn’t say happened had not happened. Then it becomes, “Why did Dr. X do the procedure and Dr. Y clear you to come back to work? Secondly, BF made a big mistake forging a doctor’s note. So either they weren’t quick on the uptake, or they were and let him go on vacation so they could get their ducks in a row. That seems a bit harsh. (I also don’t see “an even bigger lie” here – I see the lie about the medical procedure with a fake doctor’s note, and then him digging his heels in and challenging how his workplace found out about it. And most airline tickets are non-transferable, meaning you can’t give the trip to someone else. Use the full-featured solution to generate an e-signature and reuse it in the future for document verification. He would’ve charmed his way out of it, not acted like a petulant teenager that got caught in a lie. My boyfriend was upset about this because he had already purchased a flight to Cuba based on the verbal confirmation from his boss. Forgery is a felony in all 50 states of America. They’d copied from hundreds of sources and woven the stolen material together very skillfully. Agreed. I went home sick from work one day (serious ear infection) and as I left I was informed I needed a doctor’s note to return. Any other policy would force employees to wait until the last minute to book flights or (as OP’s boyfriend thought was the case) prohibit them from booking vacations within 2 weeks of PTO rollover if they don’t have saved vacation days. Yes, it is definitely a survival mechanism. There are US companies work that way as well. The boyfriend should have gotten it in writing but I’m curious if he went to his manager and brought it up that it was previously approved and he made nonrefundable plans based on that approval. And in my experience, the answer is almost never “no”. THEN he doubles down by trying to turn this into a lawsuit, when even his own lawyer is telling him to let it go. It might not but unethical, but the leave procedures are stupid and morale-killing. It doesn’t matter if the OP specified the exact days because it was most likely discussed anyway, and if it wasn’t then it’s still on the manager to ask before saying yes. As far as I know, simply attempting to verify the authenticity of the note doesn’t violate any laws. Use Signature. If I had a bad cold and missed a bunch of work, the doctor probably wouldn’t have been aware of my legitimate illness until I felt good enough to go back to work, which would require a doctor’s note. I have some sympathy on the “I told you so” credit issue, actually, though I often find those kinds of things obnoxious. Anger. Free Simple doctor’s note . Since we are on the topic, I gotta ask, if a person get approval in advance (written and through the proper channels) for time off, plans and pays for a non – refundable vacation and the job comes back and says “sorry you can’t take that time after all if you want to continue working here,” does the person have a right to demand reimbursement of their tickets? I’m wondering what details have been left out of the story: He showed me the presentation he’d given to the publishing house and we figured it was twice as much work to plagiarize than to actually research and write the book. Yes! Below we have some high quality doctors note for school templates that can be used to write doctors excuse for school. I’m not saying my hypothetical system is a good one, just that it’s possible to create. Or lose his job to go? My point is that everything isn’t always black and white when it comes to these things. I think Alison (and commenters) are pretty good at realizing that the OP is the only one who’s asking for advice on this blog, so they have to advise the OP. You seem to be looking at this as “the company deserves it”, but really, it’s the boyfriend who lost his job, and I fully agree he should have been fired. But it is a red flag because you have evidence that when they make mistakes, they don’t own up to them, and then instead go to great dishonest lengths to avoid consequences. 18 posts related to Template Fake Doctors Note Pdf. (Spoiler for non-lawyers: he would be likely suspended or struck off for forgery. I think part of it is protecting the company from liability, as you say, and part of it is sort of indicating “If you’re going to take that much sick time, you better be sick enough to see a doctor.”, By forging that doctor’s note, he probably broke the law, right? Quack quack. I’m not a psychologist, but I think if he was threatening to hit you, he was an abuser. He owns land there and the dates were coordinated between a number of different contractors, his lawyer, and a business manager. Once I caught a student trying to use a fake doctor’s note after missing the midterm exam. How does that play out? With the recent incident of protesting teachers from Madison, Wisconsin, getting fake doctor notes from some doctors working for the University of Wisconsin School of Medicine, it has brought this topic to the surface once again. Again, this is based on my common sense interpretation of the law not any sort of legal training. Yeah, no surprise I’m no longer with him. A fake doctors note – If you’ve made it to this post, you’re likely in search for one, or a dr. excuse to get you out of work or school. That’d be a way they could rectify the issue if it truly wasn’t possible to have that time off. With this individualized, effect replacement urged day i even a who has as it relates. …. I feel like if your immediate response to a weird timing situation with vacation is to make up a medical procedure, you might not be the most clear-thinking person in the first place. (I hope this doesn’t come across as a personal attack, but I’ve read through a few threads where people are talking in circles because you’re not stating your assumptions clearly). Fake Doctors Note Template With Signature. ;-) If he called in sick those days, though, it would obviously look suspicious (since he had just requested vacation), so he decided to head off the suspicion by saying that the vacation time he requested was actually to get a medical procedure — hence the forged doctor’s note. His boss checked off “rejected”, signed it, and gave it back to him. Exactly- the big companies I’ve worked at have allowed negative and then it comes out of your final check. In addition, the signature and the body of the excuse frequently do not match or look fake. I think someone for whom that is their personal history is not unlikely to respond by not talking to their boss, and they may then respond with a nuclear option like forging a doctor’s note because, contradictory as it is on some level, that doesn’t violate the scripts I mentioned above the way directly advocating with your boss does. @ Definite Beta Guy–because it’s a reasonable point to make and something the manager should know about. If you want more Ekaterin, you could read Komarr next (it comes right before A Civil Campaign), but reading Memory first would give more context to Komarr. Forgery is illegal here, though I doubt most employers would bother to check the doctor’s note unless they were suspicious about it. These people exist. I probably wouldn’t actually do it, and if I did I would certainly go the route of working *with* the management team to figure it out, rather than against them. What an amazing conclusion to draw from what situation with zero context. His manager should have gone to bat for him on the holiday time, or at least made clear at the start that verbal guarantees meant nothing. Or at least I’m requesting you stick to the “we’re not going to insist on facts that aren’t in the letter” norms of this site. It’s no more bizarre than making up a medical crisis, forging a note, and calling a lawyer when you get caught. Even if he’s not inclined to cheat in their relationship, this sort of behavior is a red flag that he may lie on, say, their joint tax return or mortgage application and get the OP in trouble with him. I hope it gets easier for you with time. I also have a concern about negotiating a neutral or positive reference for this former employee. HIPAA is a US thing, correct? Unless, however, their PTO is use-it-or-lose it with no carryover that renews July 1. Link: As a child, being screamed and sworn at and threatened for any mistake I made led to a (fairly reasonable, imo) tendency to just flatly deny responsibility for anything I was accused of, and at times create ridiculous alibis for myself. Nice. And it was the lamest forgery attempt I’ve ever seen. I can’t respond to Mike C below, so, I’m leaving this here. Second, they tried to reach him for quick questions about clients during the time off and couldn’t. It seems obvious to me that the boyfriend deserves to be fired.). Which charge be comforting, accustomed they’re alone a few months removed from critics apprehensive if drillmaster Jon Cooper should be accursed and whether their first-round ambit at the easily of the Columbus Blue Jackets … The OP wrote: OP says she doesn’t think the boss knew the vacation was out of the country, which makes it sound like the BP either didn’t communicate it at all, or communicated it very badly. But I guess the more interesting question is: If you’re wrong and he didn’t do that, how does your stance change? For me, it’s the insistence that none of this is his fault that seems really concerning, more so than the initial lie. The company doesn’t need to know what his medical issue was, but they do need to know that he can be at work without the risk of infecting coworkers or exposing the company to liability. This is a very simple doctor’s appointment note where you just have spaces for doctor’s name, patient’s name and the date of appointment. (I could be wrong. The second, bigger lie was forging a doctor’s note. I meant just a half day or full day for this hypothetical. . Some people have very little grasp of normal workplace communication, or absolutely no common sense or understanding of how this works. I didn’t run back to him screaming “I TOLD YOU SO” because whats done is done at this point. Good point, I wondered the same. He submitted a time off form on July 2nd for time off starting on July 9th. If they cannot afford the doctor’s visit and tests that are needed for a note, the Urologist Note … :). Or realizes he’s in a weird situation so asks HR to make special arrangements? My immediate gut reaction is: this guy is a lying liar who lies and should not work anywhere where trust matters. Or are they just screwed? ), I don’t think you can give airline tickets to other people anymore. Instead, he forged, lied, and lied again. I’m sorry, but this is ridiculous. People who didn’t grow up in a culture like that may find it hard to understand the mindset – in a way it’s parallel to the way people who didn’t grow up under abuse etc. Work computer won’t let your unlock the screen? We have choices. While we have to remember that we are hearing about this incident third hand and I suspect that there are missing parts, over all, the way we are told that this went down does not speak very well of the boyfriend’s character. Forging a medical note really is a big deal. Man…this is messed up. Back in MAy, he recieved a verbal warning. If the OP comes back later and says I’m wrong then so be it, but if someone is told one thing, makes plans, then is told another thing that counters the first AND causes significant financial harm, the obvious, trivial response is “but there was a previous agreement on this”. When I reread Memory, I start with Ivan dropping Miles in the ice bath. The problem is the boyfriend’s entire pattern of behavior – which apparently is including ignoring the lawyer’s advice when it wasn’t what he wanted to hear. But it’s suckier and shadier to make up a condition and forge a doctor’s note because of what might possibly be a mix-up, a change in policy, or simply something unfair. (and there are a lot of them out there, both in the workplace and the dating scene). Fortunately for him, he has multiple streams of income so the greatest lost was the hours not the paycheck. Well, you could be right. Again, Mike C., you’re assuming facts not in evidence. I don’t think it’s unreasonable for an employer to expect an employee to still be around 2 months later. I never assumed he did. I’ve never seen travel insurance that was worth it (purchased separately or through my credit card) for anything other than natural disaster, political unrest, illness, or death. I’ve had clients who have literally stopped going to jobs when a family emergency comes up, and then act surprised when they’re terminated for job abandonment but admit they never told their employer the reason they didn’t show because they were afraid of getting fired. Elsewhere you write “Anyone could make a bad decision in a moment of uncertainty.”, Ok. It’s true that everybody lies and makes bad decisions sometimes. 1. This is spot-on. But no, this is not one of the best laid plans of mice and men. But even if there is a glitch in the system – an effective blackout date for two weeks for people out of PTO – that’s something that Boyfriend could and should have addressed with his manager or HR. If something at work happened for which they suddenly wanted me to be there, I’d re-emphasize my plans and their importance to me (with escalations up the chain as necessary). I read it that he had claimed to have taken the vacation time to take care of a medical thing (and thus really needed it to be approved), but re-reading I see that isn’t totally clear. The point is that you don’t know. Your comment really hit home for me. I wonder if all of his time off is in one PTO bucket, too, or if he switched from asking for vacation days to needing sick or personal days, or if he was claiming he was going to use vacation for a medical procedure or something. Of course, not all employers act this way. What will he do if he doesn’t get the customer to sign an order form? This may be the first time I’ve actually admitted I didn’t do the work. Low Paper or Print Quality Poor paper and print quality is a common dead giveaway for a fake doctor's excuse. Someone else pointed out upthread that the OP’s boyfriend may have decided to go forward with the medical excuse because there was the possibility that if he talked to the manager and the manager said “sorry, but the request was denied, nothing I can do” the eventual medical excuse would’ve looked even more fishy up front. If this *wasn’t* actually an automation snafu and management let him get in a situation where a verbally approved vacation would never be officially approved… that’s pretty bad. I was wondering about the logistics of tearing off eyes…. I need to look for other options.”. PTO denial wasn’t automatic. “It takes a while to train the brain that not everyone blows up like a volcano.”. That is SUPER obvious. He was preparing the report and that report has the doctor signature … It was just a misunderstanding. If BF talked to the manager and the convo went well- there would be no letter here. Yes! It’s no big deal for you to hold that opinion, but when you respond to other commenters as if they’re holding the same set of assumptions as you it’s a little confusing. So I had an ear infection, pink eye, and a sore throat at the same time. Ha. The system sounds like a PITA, but forging notes instead of trying to find a work-around with live humans…not a good idea. I convinced myself it was a believable lie, so I actually did feel angry and betrayed when I wasn’t believed. If someone feels that they have to become “less than” to retain a job, then it is time to figure out how to move on. sorry OP, but nothing you said contradicts my conclusion. In addition, many novice note-makers will use software to apply the signature. I’m still embarrassed that I acted that way. IF that was the case and the BF did talk to the manager before going the forgery route. ‘Memory’ has a big emotional wallop (I always yell “NO! I’m hoping that is actually what happened and the OP just left it out for the sake of brevity since this was already a fairly long story. Simply trying to understand the law is not a bad thing, regardless of who much you’ve screwed up at work. The fact that the employer decided to call the doctor’s office to confirm the authenticity of the note doesn’t suggest to me that the guy in question was a stellar or even reliable employee up to this point. Get it in writing. This comment makes them make so much more sense to me. And some people’s life experience backs that up. If you let your employees book lots of time off in the next financial year, and I find those records, I would feel pretty justified in viewing that as holiday owed to your employees. Make a doctor’s signature that sets you apart. Presumably he’s as angry about the holiday time snafu as he is about being fired, and I guess this is clouding his judgment. If “his boss and manager were both very skeptical of his story” but could not prove anything, wouldn’t that mean that his boss was fully aware that the employee had a vacation booked? And once you’ve asked for the ‘come back to work’ note, you might be kinda stuck in the “great, now we have to follow this sketchy trail of stupid lies” grove–because I can ignore some stupid things my employees do (and I do), but if they’re dumb enough to blatantly violate rules in front of me, I *HAVE* to deal with it or it undermines me as manager. OP says that Boyfriend had to put in an official request after getting verbal confirmation and that the request “was denied” – we don’t know by whom. Though he’s going to have a bigger problem with either the gap in his resume or the former employer who says “We let him go for falsifying a doctor’s note when he was really on vacation.”. For awhile I considered forging the note because I knew I was healthy and found the whole thing ridiculous. If this was his first reaction, what are the odds something similar will happen again, maybe multiple times, over his working life? You did nothing (no matter what) that justified that sort of cruelty. I’ve worked plenty of jobs where a written approval is just not a thing anyone would do, it’s all always verbal. This is such an active comments board :). “He claims that his HIPAA rights were violated because there is a law saying that the employer must have authorization from the employee before attempting to verify a medical note.”. I’ve said this a couple of times already, but I would be absolutely shocked if the previous agreement wasn’t brought up again to contest the original rejection. OP seems to be very level-headed, I think she would have included it if he did go back to the boss after the denial. With two weeks’ notice required, why not simply push the vacation a little later so he asks on July 1, gets the approval and then goes? He was raised by a single parent with three siblings. That is so ridiculous. Anyways he really should have seen this coming. She simply said it’s denied due to the timing, and there was tension between them at that time, due to an earlier incident in May. I understand. 44 Free Fake Doctors Note Templates to Download Nancy Young December 4, 2019 A medical certificate or doctor’s note is a written statement from a doctor or other health service provider that confirms the results of a patient’s medical examination. We also suggest you how to make it more realistic. If so, the manager may not have even known the boyfriend put in the request and may have thought his plans changed. And per usual, there is no accountability for that breach of turst; just the employees. I’m just wondering, did he got straight to forging the doctor’s note, without talking to his manager about the time off request? Would the manager not have the authority to override that? In his mind, “Well if it’s medical, they have to let me” would have created a (false) sense of security that this unbearable risk was eliminated. But this sort of thing can be expected, as it happens often. Since John hasn’t submitted dates yet, Susie’s time is approved and if John comes back later wanting the same week, it’s too late and there’s nothing I can do. Memory is kind of a comfort book for me, especially when things aren’t going well. If the boyfriend was clear on the dates and the manager then declined the request, that would have been a good time to have a discussion, and it’s not clear that that happened. Employee: can I have this week off? I would have fired him in a heartbeat. I know of people who’ve been denied unemployment for far less, and this is a state that’s known for being friendlier to claimants than employers. I’m surprised Alison is letting this comment stand. I am convinced it would be kinder. If the employee quits before they accrue it all back, just take it out of the final paycheck. OP’s Boyfriend: “Hey, remember how we talked about how I wanted to take vacation July 9-16?” It was surreal, and reminded me of dealing with a toddler covered in chocolate insisting no, I didn’t get in to the chocolate. But he went off and, without even having a rational conversation, lied. While these decisions were bad, I believe that the employer had more agency to stop this from happening in the first place, and should take a hard look at how they treat their employees. She was also fired. Maybe that won’t be infidelity or a crime. Need a sick leave to take some rest as per suggestion of family doctor or medical expert to get recovery from disease or a medical issue? Natalie, that’s a really good point about Simon and Gregor. I’m only 6 months out of the house, so I’m still struggling a bit to overcome old behaviours. The medical certificate must contain a valid signature from the doctor. Yeah, the forgery is bad enough – that’s got to be illegal – but the failure to take responsibility would make my blood boil, as an employer or a significant other. I am guessing from you name at you are in law? Could you check me out?” The doctor’s not being asked to confirm an illness, he’s being asked to confirm health. Vacation recission, note forgery, or something else? Copyright © 2007 - 2021 Ask A Manager. In the beginning of June, he verbally discussed some taking time off in mid-July with his boss several times. That being said, BF went about it wrong on other aspects as well. If I received verbal approval: Trivial? And further it is also set up to auto deny a vacation request if there isn’t a 2 weeks notice. That’s what it sounded like to me…if like the credit card guy he had fessed up, admit he had felt helpless and just panicked, they might have reprimanded him but he could have kept his job…by digging in his heels and now consulting attorneys, I’m pretty sure he’s out this job and his 3 years needed for certification. Yep – mine is the same way. Maybe this is a result of us internalising ethical standards, since some people seem like they would be OK keeping him on? Can I take the days in May and record them in July?” My manager said yes. I think most employers would understand if an emergency came up (I once called in sick to an interview). Employee: oh no I’m sick I need an operation which just happens to be that exact same week My reply is in moderation because it has a link in it, but there is (IMHO) no *bad* order to read them, because Lois does such a good job of dropping clues about what has happened in previous books. I couldn’t figure out why he was so fixated on this. And what penalty do you get for getting your request denied? Also, the paperwork is the same coming back from maternity leave as from brain injury. To use a line from my (everybody’s?) (Seriously, I have been angry at my kids, but simply cannot imagine anything, even crimes, that would make me berate them for 3 hours.). If I had an agreement with my manager like this and then my request got rejected because I’d technically not followed policy, the very first thing I’d do would be to go to my manager and say “Hey, I have flights booked based on our conversation, can you let them know that we discussed this more than two weeks ago?”. Whose signature and letterhead gets forged next? I really hope you’re not trying to say that you think all of that is justified because the employer went back on their word and that the employer actually *is* to blame for the BF going off the rails like this. Doctors Note for Work Format Doctor's note for work is a confirmation for the legitimacy of the time that and emplyee missed for healthy reasons. I think at the time, we were urging him to fess up so it would only be firing and not prosecution. Thank you for writing this. 2. So right to lying, forgery. BF’s actions look very different to me than the reflexive lies of an abuse victim avoiding trouble. For international travel I have one word: Medical. It’s too late now, but couldn’t he have gone to an actual doctor to get cleared to return to work? We’ve established he shouldn’t have lied to his boss, but now this is starting to feel like a pile-on. I work in healthcare and train on HIPAA. As a general point though, thanks to TV/other media and especially this blog, I now know way more about US employment laws than I do about their Canadian equivalents! Vacation request is denied? Even if both parties made bad assumptions (boyfriend assumed he was good to go, manager assumed a formal request was forthcoming), the onus is still on the boyfriend to confirm his time off before booking travel, because the boyfriend is the one taking all the risk. That’s the big focus. He has been with the company about three years. A How to fake doctors note is generally created by a health care provider who took treatment of you as well as the one particular who gave you medicine. If I were this guy’s girlfriend, I’d run far and fast. He has contacted his lawyer, who advised him to apply for unemployment benefits, and that if the job denies them, he can then go to a hearing to try and claim that the employer was in error by reaching out to the medical provider without his authorization. This is the part I don’t understand… How could the employer deny that the BF worked the hours if he clearly did? Call a lawyer. His anger was justifiable, but his behaviour was not. 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