I never lived in Hamilton but attended many conferences. I still pray but I’ve come to understand we must hold fast what is good and the greatest testimony is simply obeying His word regardless of the goosebumps. Email: Store@theramp.org let cumulatedTime = parseInt(cumulatedTimeElement.value); Don’t through the baby out with the bath water. I was raised in church my entire life. from HEADJANITOR:. It is a Christian Hollywood full of idols and idolatry and it is rampant in these evangelical circles. Do you think that can help? I too was involved with The Ramp for many years and even lived in the community for a few years. I could not be satisfied living a life apart from God. What did you find out from the Word? I’m sure that if you stood behind a pulpit and taught your at least assume that you were teaching scripture. So true. I was a devoted follower of the Ramp, founded by Karen Wheaton featuring Perry stone (OCI ministries) Damon Thompson, Dutch Sheets the N.A.R crowd and many other famous ministers. The erroneous Seven Mountain Mandate and New Apostolic Reformation doctrines have flooded in. Feel free to reach out. If you try to have an objective biblical conversation about something that may not be ok, people tend to either make light of what you said or just blankly acknowledge that you said something and happily carry on. I did and I know others have whether Charismatic, Pentecostal, Baptist, Anglican, Sally Army, Methodist etc etc. The light shines in the darkness and the darkness can not overcome John chapter 1. document.addEventListener("DOMContentLoaded", function(){ Menu & Reservations Make Reservations . I started w the Ramp in my twenties and I’m now in my 40’s. Shipping Hours: Monday-Friday 10am-4pm. And He set up His church the way He wanted and then wrote it down for us for a blueprint. I felt lost. God Bless! Watching the Road by Karen Wheaton. Phone: (205) 921-0909. Through our conferences, school of ministry, travel events, social media, broadcast program and multiple church locations, The Ramp engages thousands of people each month with the transforming power of the gospel. It was really refreshing to read this, good to know I’m not alone. God sent a strong delusion upon them so that they should believe the lie because they loved not the truth. They did the “hot seat” where you sit in a chair and people pray over you and ask the Holy Spirit what he saying. I watched 8 years fly by and here I am almost 30. Dr. Karen Swanson. it’s almost 2 years out and I’m just now getting to the place where I can pray. Generation X marks the spot was the trending evangelical phrase in those days. I still believe in miracles, the gifts of the spirit and the Word of God. This is a very fair, well-written article. I still carried on in the charasmatic church , only to have more bad experiences, through it all the Lord kept me close and taught me much. Karen Wheaton Ministries 122 Buckhorn Trl Hamilton AL 35570. Me too left movement at age 20 and is now 25 years ago. let cumulatedTime = parseInt(cumulatedTimeElement.value); I looked so holy I’m sure in my Sunday best. Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. $20.00. She has toured throughout the U.S. performing at events that also featured preachers and Christian artists such as Jimmy Swaggart, Benny Hinn and the Gaither Homecoming. That should give you a clear view of the people I was running with. I love love love your comment! I was hearing 20 years ago how special MY generation was. If we give in to our own hurt or bitterness and place it above the scripture then we are at risk of going into deception. Kansas City (IHOP), Morningstar Ministries and Bethel Redding are what I considered great men of God preaching the true gospel. } let appendJsTimerElement = function(){ Once in Chattanooga TN during winter ramp at the Convention center packed w THOUSANDS of ppl, He told the young ushers to block the doors and not allow anyone to leave because “they were not going to disrespect the preaching of the word of God” behavior like that is a common occurrence w/him. But the outing turned black for a different reason. formElement.attachEvent('onsubmit', appendJsTimerElement); The Gospel has already been validated with these miracles. That’s the biggest reason for sharing my story. I knew 8 years ago the Ramp was cultish when Damon Thompson tried to barricade 10 thousand ppl in the Chattanooga convention center and the guy I was with told the kids they couldn’t block the exit because it was a fire safety hazard. I have also noticed music is a main attraction in church; It has replace bible studies. I was into Benny hinn and hill song and Friday home fellowships and integrity music and God knows what. He completely changed his tune and said Iwas so worthwhile and tallented and beautiful. I was a devoted follower of the Ramp, founded by Karen Wheaton featuring Perry stone (OCI ministries) Damon Thompson, Dutch Sheets the N.A.R crowd and many other famous ministers. If you have a map of Florida where Miami is on the Georgia border and Pensecola is where Miami is supposed to be, that map is in error. formElement.appendChild(jsTimeInput); We have not because we ask not, this means the deeps, nothing external ought we desire, thus comes the fulfillment. Email: Store@theramp.org But then my real troubles began, they the (church ) i attended stripped me of any confidance , i became controlled and manipulated. What once nurtured my innocent soul began feeding it imitation meat and I ended up in darkness and  delusion. I guess that meant we were really reaching the world with the gospel, I mean we were televised, right? 2019-02-09T01:41:33-05:00. I have come to realize it was like living in a bomb shelter cut off from society. Always wondered how born again christians could run along side false teachers for years on end and not realize that they weren’t born again. Enjoy! All I know is the Pentecostal church as undergone some big changes since I first began and none of them are helping people learn bible Scripture or to understand verses in context. All the false prophetic words I have heard through the years and was still hearing. They were given to the church during the breaking in if the gospel to bring the church the inspired word of God as we know it today…accompanied with sign gifts. } My foundation was corrupt! ..for that I have regtrts for not leaving the Pentecostal UPC church and their twisted beliefs. Phone: (205) 921-0909. I researched all these teachers/ministries relentlessly and found the origins of this movement to be corrupted to the core. It’s not said point blank but the overall theme is he is one of the only ones preaching the REAL gospel and that type of hyped up emotional message can radicalize ppl in a very dark way. Whatever the rights and wrongs I think you will find many a Christian becomes disillusioned with whatever church or ‘movement’ they belong to after a while. One example is the leadership of apostles and prophets. Quiet meditation, formal structured services and order are more helpful. The N.A.R , 7 Mountain mandate and New Apostles and prophets doctrine they have conjured up are False doctrines that promote spiritual elitist mentality, I certainly saw a lot of Christian super-stars being lifted up. But thank you for writing. Her first exposure came on the PTL Club in 1978. I remember being in a church service with my hands raised singing a love song to God and realizing I was so lost. formElement.attachEvent('onsubmit', appendJsTimerElement); Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. It is a very disorienting thing to walk away from a long held belief and a system you have promoted and loved for many years. These men prophesy lies and the people imagine vain things. Jeremiah 2v13. Kansas City (IHOP), Morningstar Ministries and Bethel Redding are what I considered great men of God preaching the true gospel. if (null !== cumulatedTimeElement) { I was in agreement then, and . The Lord needs us who understand the abuses in the current church to come together without disregarding truth in the scripture. Many times I would sit in church and hear the preacher say something and wonder, “Is that even biblical?” then I would wonder if I had a demon or an evil spirit of unbelief (welcome to Pentecostal thinking my friends). Let me tell you what type of disillusionment that sets a young person up for. I learned to live from word to word and conference to conference, it was a spiritual high I was chasing. I am writing this blog in hopes that if you stumble upon it that it will be a source of great comfort to you. ” — Karen Wheaton Wow, that is nutty but unfortunately not uncommon. } He shows us this stuff to create a true and pure focus on Him. (Dec 27, 2020) This is from Karen Wheaton Church CD. Box 1508 Went to a bible study at someone’s home who was in leadership. all these  people saying God told them this and that. Rather, just be happy that you’re finally developing your own relationship with God and go on with Him from there. Never have I been so hurt in my life. I had a REALLY bad experience in a Assembly of God church about a year ago. I am a born again Spirit filled believer in Jesus Christ and I also felt tired of the continual prophecies. I sought God for years for understanding, after all it is all based on love or at least appears to be ? I left college, quit a job, took part in an internship with the church, served until I was exhausted (being in church sometimes 6 days a week), conference after conference, encounter after encounter…serving and serving…until I became tired both physically and spiritually. Some people never discover that and allow the church, or church organization, to be as an idol to them their entire physical lives. I don’t want to see these people be disqualified from their callings, because of rejecting truth in the Bible. Email: Store@theramp.org One of the greatest resources that helped me through this difficult time has been others sharing their stories and so I am compelled to share mine. It is the hardest part. One incident occurred when Judy Jacobs a famous TBN minister got up at the Ramp in a prideful arrogant tone and demanded the young kids at the Ramp (Youth Ministry)  dig down deep in their pockets to give money for an offering so Karen Wheaton could buy a Bentley! We can do a portion of it in a corporate setting (like a church group) but God only saves us (through Jesus and His Truth) one heart at a time and as that heart is truly ready to be saved.- – – In other words, God doesn’t save the whole church but rather just those whose hearts are right towards Him no matter what church or church type it is. You’ll only ruin it’. Then I began to read His Word….truly studying His Word. I was saying where in the laodicean church age. I am not condemning all the preachers you mentioned, but a lot of the ones you mentioned aren’t typical, IMO, of the Pentecostal movement. if (null !== formElement) { I realize that being around that makes people mentally and emotionally unstable. Karen Wheaton is a seasoned Christian minister whose music and preaching has provoked listeners to pursue God in passionate worship for many years. Edit them in the Widget section of the. Jesus must become our very own Personal Savior. CONNECT WITH US ON … I totally believe in the New testament Church for today. jsTimeInput.setAttribute("value", formTimeDiff.toString()); I was involved in the Charismatic Movement for 10+ years. I find that so laughable now to look at people who are expressional during worship as a definitive sign that God is moving. if (null !== formElement) { Sorry about some of the typos above. Thank God you are free!!! Karen Wheaton Ministries. Once we were all encouraged to speak in tongues and shout out our cities name as claimed territory In the name of Jesus. Half a torn map with a cigarrette burn where Orlando is supposed to be is ‘in part.’ Those are two different things. I mean we were God chasers after all, soooo benevolent we were in great pursuit of God. The scripture is right and true even if Charismatic ministers make up doctrine like the “Seven Mountain Teaching”. let cumulatedTimeElement = document.getElementById("tfa_dbCumulatedTime"); Karen Wheaton Ministries. I don’t need to move to a foreign country as a missionary to be mightily used of God or stand behind a pulpit. And He has! Most of these people didn’t even know the word much less if God was speaking. Also there are no “A”postles and “P”prophets in the church today. The Ramp is a global ministry with a passion and mission to awaken a generation, equip them for their purpose, and send them out to change their world. Maybe I will write about that in the future but honestly I’m still in a healing season. I don’t endorse the whole movement. I am not even sure I am well even now. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. As Director, she oversees the Charles W. Colson scholarship program and pursues the goals of the Institute for Prison Ministries through networks, collaboration and strategic partnerships. P.O. Also, some of the churches teach an unbiblical idea that false prophecy is okay. 786 likes. Through the years I didn’t buy into many of the man-made traditions we had adopted like falling on the floor or thinking one had to speak in tongues to have the Holy Spirit nonetheless I went along with it because I didn’t think it was hurting anyone. Karen Wheaton Ministries in Hamilton, reviews by real people. I know he has a meeting place in SC but have not heard any of his messages but I’ve seen enough of him to know to steer clear. The only one who has the authority to do away with something is the Lord. You people are completely nuts and the ones with the problem. I studied the difference between exegesis and isagesis teachings and watched the Strange Fire conference with John MacArthur which helped tremendously to explain what I was looking at. I am 40 now and began attending in my mid-twenties so I was around when the ramp was at the 180 building in Cleveland TN, and also at the Christian bookstore. I got up and walked out. The Way Home. Sign in or create an account. The fact that it did not line up with Gods word or his Character made me even more angry. } I see now I was very wrong. How patient the Lord was on me…I will forever praise Him for that. I  have a storehouse full of wonderful memories but it has strayed like a boat without a compass; ever so subtle without even realizing it. jsTimeInput.setAttribute("type", "hidden"); The only one who has ever said these ministries have pasted are other men. My life has been a series of interesting twists that will hopefully benefit someone out in the ether. I didn’t know if I could possibly  sit in another “Amost there, about to happen moments” at church it was starting to get under my skin. } Order Online Tickets Tickets See Availability Directions {{::location.tagLine.value.text}} Sponsored Topics. Karen Harris Wheaton Towe is an American Pentecostal preacher, Gospel music singer and recording artist based in Hamilton, Alabama whose career has spanned the late 1970s until the present time. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! Um.. no! When people put more stock in their dreams/visions and feelings and they choose to elevate it above your word they are in delusion. All of my “sacrifice” (really works righteousness) amounted to nothing. I moved to be near the Brownsville revival and ran off to see Lakeland nonsense when it was published in Charisma magazine. $15.00. I saw so many people using Gods name in the Charismatic/Pentecostal movement it is dizzying. jsTimeInput.setAttribute("name", "tfa_dbElapsedJsTime"); That explains why there are so many churches and different types of churches. But I am thinking many things you describe would be considered the fringe of the movement by preachers at more conservative churches. Email: Store@theramp.org . May we all see He is the only true love we seek, the one true spirit. To hear Karen’s radio interview, go here. I sat down with him and he told me that he heard that I had a demon. The pentecostal type church isn’t everyone’s cup of tea. I loved church fellowship and dressing up for church. Neither gender nor sexual desires can be a foundation for true love and fulfillment. Saying that people shouldn’t follow the teachings of men and just follow the Bible is not without is own baggage. His story helped me as well. Paul say’s it is better to remain single so we may wholeheartedly serve God with all of our hearts, a servant heart is the only way to be truly fulfilled. Wow thank you!! } My heart goes out to you. Always wondered how born again christians could run along side false teachers for years on end and not realize that they weren’t born again. } It’s very possible that we have crossed paths. Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. I gave my life to the Lord having heard her testimony, so charasmatic Christianity was all new to me, I was church of Ireland.For me despite being pretty and tallented i had a huge void in my heart and I knew that when I heard about Jesus , He was the only one who could fill the void. I’m not sure who you are but we’ve probably met or been acquainted at one point in time. I was going through the motions. I married my husband, Casey, when I was 18 years old, on Valentine's Day, 2005. This is not a sustainable way to live. Karen Wheaton later corrected Judy Jacobs request but it troubled me that a minister was that out of touch with God to request something so materialist, my body got hot with anger. It was a pattern, one that bothered me. There was such a dark cult atmosphere that year but like my group, I dismissed all the red flags and thought there was more good than bad so just take what is good. That’s one common denominator that I noticed in the movement. Definitely not the work of God but Satan. }); P.S. Total conformity is required to fit in although it is unspoken, everyone knows it. I also bear wormed worth something you said about your friend’s reaction to honest conversation. I would pour out my heart to God in prayer over it. I was so confused and bewildered coming out. Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness (internal) and all these things shall be added unto you. Therapy is rooted in humanism, so no it will not help your friend but the Truth spoken in love and empowered by the Spirit definitely will. They have forsaken me the fountain of living waters and are drawing from cracked cisterns which hold no water. jsTimeInput.setAttribute("type", "hidden"); Anyway I saw the light after that terrible experience and got out of that charasmatic( recognised church) . I a hard time paving a lot of things that I saw and learned because their waS definitely a mixture of genuine Christians and imposters. I began to notice a theme; I was all about US and not God. And I did not mean Catholic Charismatic meetings I just went charismatic meetings. The Lord gives us a clear blueprint in the scripture of how the church should be. I wont go into the gross details but suffice it to say the dear LORD got us out of there. It was like scales fell off my eyes and I was free. I’m just seeking clarification. That in itself should be enough for any christian to realize that it’s a toxic environment and get away. What areas of ministry training are you interested in? Thankfully I was w someone who told them it was a fire safety violation to block exits. God was ABOUT to do something amazing in our mist. I thought to myself, after all of this I feel no closer to God. It is Available on ITunes and Also on AmazonMP3 and can also be fount on www.theramp.org. I watched Damon Thompson grow extremely arrogant and young folks esteem him like a God. Was it the charismatic church that you were involved with that was the final straw or was it some experience with The Ramp? Change ), This is a text widget, which allows you to add text or HTML to your sidebar. Has he changes his ways since the Ramp days and walked away from the errors of that? View all posts by puresola. How God was going to send a great revival which didn’t make sense to me because the bible taught of a great apostasy the polar opposite. I think he needs therapy. No longer connected to God. I have found so many more people who know and have ALWAYS known Pentecostal theology is horrible. I’m certainly in agreement regarding finding our satisfaction in Jesus. Nothing says,  “I  love you Jesus” l like paying big bucks for the T-shirt of our favorite superstar minister’s new catch phrase and getting a bonus CD half off. I came across your article and wanted to reach out to you. Book. It  looked and felt like a big show. Look up bob jones and how the “angel Gabriel” appeared to him giving him the same false doctrines Karen teaches. I was living in perpetual sin and stuck in a cycle. Jewish people are more open to the gospel than at any time in history. It didn’t die for our sins or hang on the cross for anybody. Paul mentions the idea of bearing false witness of God, claiming He did something He didn’t, in a context that indicates that it is a bad thing to do in I Corinthians 14. formTimeDiff += cumulatedTime; I loved my friends but my heart was far from God. I was 21 years old when I truly came to know Christ and now I am 40 and let me tell you this stuff gets old. Goodbye Girl Hello Lady. Through our conferences, school of ministry, travel events, social media, broadcast program and multiple church locations, The Ramp engages thousands of people each month with the transforming power of the gospel. jsTimeInput.setAttribute("autocomplete", "off"); Wolves in sheeps clothing. I had many questions concerning the church and gender orientation. All the false prophecies and watching friends believed in these lying words to the point it was hurting others and ruining lives. We could exchange names and I would be the one writing this. Claiming God spoke when He didn’t is a bad thing. For detailed proof of his false prophecies and teachings go to -- haLUNACY. All we would have to do is swap names and your story would become mine. Healing and miracles should never have been made the focus. If we make an idol out of any of them it’s all wrong and not part of God’s plan. formElement.addEventListener('submit', appendJsTimerElement, false); (The Lord saved me “in spite of” not “because of” the movement) Because I was SO thankful to God for saving me I truly wanted to give my all in service to the church. The Bible can certainly help us to understand how God looks at gender issues. if (null === formElement) { Thank you for this post. Their job was to seek Him with all their heart in persistent prayer. Was it the charismatic church that you were involved with that was the final straw or was it some experience with The Ramp? Thank God you had the strength and wisdom to leave, many people don’t. The ministry circles that the Ramp was surrounded by are very concerning to me. 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